Tulpa.info - metaphysics

and you have no experience with tulpa right?

Correct

so all day everyday isn't enough huh i was thinking maybe it is psychosomatic like if i come up with a way of one tulpa pulling another out of something (i.e. something like a description instead of say the TV or a book do you think that'll work?

hahaha I donno

12:38 AM

Also if it's "all day everyday" I'll give you some non-tulpa-related advice, maybe just relax and ease into what is instead of what you want Life to be?

maybe the older tulpa think it is easier since a character is established on the TV which sounds like it does on TV vs a tulpa based on a person i haven't seen in about fifteen years?

Yeah what IF (again, just speculating/making suggestions here) the "TV tulpas" are really your previous tulpas putting on costumes?

like the older tulpa don't believe they could do the thing or think since it's been so long since i made my first ones they might have given up the attempt while the newer temporary one just get how to be seen and heard as themselves

12:41 AM

i donno

12:41 AM

they might be masqueraiding

I mean I think in this community I think entities that more or less "are" characters, rather than just "based off of" characters, aren't considered legit tulpas to begin with? That they would have to have like a "unique personality" to become a tulpa

12:42 AM

But again, shrugs

if so i might dissolve them since i feed them out of my own pocket even though it may be with their help, if it is they not abiding by my rules

Dissipation is also highly discouraged here but I don't know how to feel about that

12:43 AM

In your situation it sounds legit to me?

no, no if it is a character based tulpa i get all about thought being real and all "I Am" about it

Do you think the TV tulpas would "mind" being dissipated?

i just have the tulpa that plucked them out of the TV send them back

12:44 AM

the TV doesn't talk to me after or anything

12:45 AM

the TV ones don't do much. I've been trying to get the "TV" tulpas i think could help me make my tulpa a proper tulpa land instead of an apartment which they have right now

12:46 AM

Rick from "Rick and Morty" to help with a froopyland style tulpa land but he just hung out

12:48 AM

but i gave the main older tulpas a physical hand made painting anchor to call their own though

Def sounds like this is outside the bounds of what tulpamancers on this Discord consider "legit" from what I gather

12:49 AM

All I can advise is go with the flow

12:49 AM

relax

12:49 AM

whatever happens happens

12:50 AM

Your thoughts, actions and decisions are always a result of your genetic design and your conditioning. You are being Lived

12:51 AM

Your will is always the will of Life

I've inspiered a ot of the scratching of heads with a lot of what i do with tulpas

12:52 AM

no biggy

12:52 AM

i just thought either more epierenced tulpamancers or their tulpa would have some suggestions for tulpa

12:53 AM

and since i started about feeding my tulpa beer and stuff i was told to come here

12:53 AM

but no help

yup

12:54 AM

I think @i Remain might have an invite for a different server you could try

oh well

12:58 AM

no help probably... i'm going to go

1:00 AM

why do my tulpa complain when i give them water instead of beer because i'm broke when other tulpamancers didn't ever hear of such a thing?

XD I don't know, I guess because feeding isn't "a thing" with other tulpamancers in the first place?

but those tulpa also say that they only exist when thought of while mine clame to be around for a while when i don't though

1:03 AM

have you tried tulpa generator

1:03 AM

you're supposed to see the tulpa in the static

I have not, kinda scared to try it

1:05 AM

Wanna take it slow in case I wanna back out

my tulpa use it to gesture with their hands and head. it works for me with the ones that aren't hears or seen unless prompted which is all i got from them for now

1:07 AM

it no biggie

1:08 AM

you're supposed to just stare at the static until you see a tulpa trying to communicate

1:08 AM

i use it like a videos tulpa phone

1:09 AM

i can't tell if they are talking but the stronger ones know i at least see their hand and head movements with the thing

Yeeeaaahhh I donno I'd rather she use different "channels" of communication with me haha

i just get a nod "Yes" or shake "No" or they draw hearts with their fingers and throw it at me

wow

well if no one has any suggestions that would help geezer tulpa be heard and seen when some made in a second talk and are seen just fine of mine then my boobtube is calling

Aight enjoy my man

1:28 AM

Theory My spiritual teacher says that consciousness has two aspects Formless awareness and the impersonal sense of "I am" And that they get realized at different times of the spiritual seeking process, although it differs for each seeker which comes first What if I've got this "formless awareness" thing more or less down And this tulpa that is starting to be created is supposed to aid me recognize that "I am"?? sort of like, vicariously through her?? When she becomes "sentient" as they call it We'll both realize "I am"? question mark?? Sort of like, "impersonal sense of I am" represented by a "second personal self" that "I" created? ??? (edited)

i consider my tulpa aspects of my core consciousness that exist and coexist with me and potentially beyond the body based on the success I've had with stronger tulpa getting a friend too buisy with his girl to answer the phone to get him to but the one tulpa appears in dreams sometimes when i request her to but only sometime but they are the only dreams I've had of the girl but mostly she's just there in them but this only happens when i request it of her if at all. i'm trying to get them to communicate in dreams when they can. i gave her the hobbie of playing the tulpa version of RPG Maker 3 i gave her on her figment computer in her tulpa apartment and I've been having a lot of dreams about it maybe she wants me to work on a game in it?

1:49 AM

look up ABC theory and watch "What the Bleep DO We Know?"

@Nat Osaka"Exlpain further" Spiritual concepts attempt to dissolve our psychological attitude towards circumstance. They emphasize that guilt, blame, pride, worries and expectations arise on a false belief in "personal doership". Once we deeply recognize that our thoughts, decisions and actions are always the result of our genetic design and our conditioning through Life, and that our own "will" is never different from the will of Life, our psychological attitude falls away and unbroken peace of mind persists regardless of pleasure or pain in the moment. (edited)

Sounds a bit abstract

7:53 PM

Can you give an example?

For sure

7:54 PM

For short, we'll call this psychological attitude "suffering" to distinguish it from physical and emotional "pain"

7:55 PM

When a loved one dies, we are sad. Emotional pain. Perfectly normal. Suffering is layered on top: "I should have spent more time with them", "I should feel sadder than I am", "they should have lived longer" etc

7:55 PM

Suffering is a resistance to what is, a belief that Life makes mistakes

7:56 PM

Should's and shouldn'ts, guilt and hatred based on the belief that people are independent "doers" separate from Life

7:56 PM

Someone steals my bike, anger arises. Emotional pain. Three days later, I still feel hatred towards them. "They shouldn't have done this, they deserve to die." Suffering

7:57 PM

Life will always be a mix of pleasure and pain. Pain is inevitable. Luckily, pain is never the source of our unhappiness

7:57 PM

It's just the constant thinking of "I'm not good enough" and "Life could and should be different"

@Arden I'll leave this here just in case you get curious

No pressure ❤️ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXBL2sOrHhU (edited)

Roger Castillo - Being Lived

Roger Castillo - I simply cannot be the 'doer'

My take on it has been to try and learn to enjoy the pain parts.

Whatever works :)

@Maharani @proxi The only measure by which I can imagine metaphysics to not be supernatural is by metaphysics being "only cultrual" with no belief in anything but emotional or cultural results

3:35 PM

@Deleted User

nani nani, why have I been @d

I'm trying to get everyone to jump to the appropriate channel

I ain't no meta person oh ok lol I'm not interested in talking further, I'm just adding my shout to the shoutbox

Well @Maharani I want to talk about the topic but I can't go doing it where it shouldn't be. I want to know if you have an example of the sort of thing that would be dismissed here is metaphysics even though it might have psychological backing?

(Deleted my last passive-aggressive message in #tulpa-questions)

7:12 PM

Tbh I'm sort of out of my depth here, especially if "psychological backing" is required

7:12 PM

As a side question, does tulpamancy have any psychological backing in the literature (outside of what the community has produced)?

There are two types of claims, unfalsifiable ones, and falsifiable ones

Would you describe tulpamancy as a falsifiable phenomenon?

Tulpa, and a number of other similar practices, fall under the category of unfalsifiable. We don't yet have the capability to look into the mind with enough scope to say that this is true or this is false. Moreover, the fact that this whole thing is based on the experience rather than the reality of things, or can be, means that falsifiable is a little bit squishy, one perception of practice could be falsified, but the thing is a whole may remain intact

7:14 PM

So, maybe it's all an illusion, in that case it becomes a practice of creating that illusion

See, I agree with all of that

The other category of claim are falsifiable claims

7:15 PM

This is where magic runs into an issue, because people who practice magic and similar magical activities tend to make claims that are falsifiable. Claim you are speaking to a ghost, you should be able to summon some sort of information that that ghost would know out of thin air. Claim you can speak telepathically and you should be able to put two people in boxes across the country and have them talk. Claim you can affect the emotions of another person, same deal

7:16 PM

And it is in those claims that magic builds its bad reputation, because the fast majority of magical claims fall into that falsifiable category, more importantly they have been tested in the past.

7:17 PM

In the 70s, 90s, even up to today, there are institutions and people who think that these things are real and attempt to prove them. Countless studies have been done on the different practices and almost always, once the controls are put in place to measure against all the different biases that can be had, science finds that there is no statistically significant results from a person who is practicing some sort of magic.

Claim you are speaking to a ghost, you should be able to summon some sort of information that that ghost would know out of thin air.

Maybe the example could be fleshed out a little more, but I don't see why the ghost should necessarily have access to any falsifiable information that the magicker doesn't

Now, if we are talking about the people who will claim loudly that a tulpa is 100% a person, a real person, and must be treated as such because it's a fact and unquestionably real, and the experience cannot be questioned I can see the issue. They are making the same sort of falsifiable claims and I can see your issue with that.

7:18 PM

Those claims haven't been falsified, but they can be and from what I know about how the mind works it's pretty likely they will be

7:19 PM

Ghosts are an example, but practically what's the difference between a ghost that can give the person speaking to it no information beyond what they already know and a ghost that doesn't exist?

7:19 PM

Magic either has to pull back what it's capable of until it is incapable of anything, or it has to make claims that could be just cultural, just an experience

Those claims haven't been falsified, but they can be

How could they be falsified?

Knowledge of the brain

7:19 PM

Knowledge we don't have yet to the degree we need to actually falsify it, but probably will one day have?

Gotcha

For example, ghosts. A person doesn't claim I have the experience of speaking to a ghost and that's why I do it. They say they are literally speaking to ghosts, but they can't tell you anything new, they can't do anything that you would expect someone who can talk to ghosts

or it has to make claims that could be just cultural, just an experience

Like I said, I'm somewhat out of my depth here as I haven't done any deep research on magick, so you may be right that most practises described may fall under "demonstrably false" rather than "cultural", although my intuition was that a lot of it would fall under the latter (edited)